SHOULD/ARE MUSLIM BRITS (BE) SLACKING OFF AT SCHOOL?
Statistics proclaim that only a third of British Muslims finish school. The first revelation to the Prophet from the Angel Gabriel in Islam was to"read; read in the name of thy lord; who created man from a clot; and taught man what man knew not" A famous quote from the Hadith is to "walk all the way to China in the pursuit of wisdom and knowledge."
Should/Are muslim brits (be) slacking off at school?
Yes, because... muslim kids in Britian are slacking off because they are ostracized,isolated and therefore more than a little paranoid about the people around them
Being thought of as a terrorist/outcast cannot be very academically motivating; also when certain white people challenge the British-ness/hood of Muslims by treating people born and bred in Britain as foreigners as well as second class citizens; who cannot exercise their rights as average British citizens; the average Muslim Brit rightly feels bullied.
Let us not ignore the brick-chucking,name-calling and other illegal forms of racially motivated violence in the back-alleys of British society.
Communication is hard since people are judged by/for/according-to their appearance/colouring.Justice is also arduous to receive when you know that when you go-to report a crime you'll have to go/talk/report to a (what is commonly referred to as a pig) very white plausibly racially close-minded policeman.
'Paki" has long been considered a very racist term in British society(even though it literally means pure in Urdu).
And there's also prejudice stemming from the use of incongruous English; such as in the mostly irrelevant heated display on the right. There's a stark difference between recognising/recognizing racism and condoning it. I'm afraid pseudonym:Susanwusan has mistaken the former for the latter.
Muslim do not believe the false accusations of being a terrorist because they are not.Iam actually a muslim child who goes to primary school and i do not believe in such thing that we muslims are bullied. We are a unique religion from others. i am tottaly outraged hearing that you could say such a thing. only a fool would disagree that racism is wrong and should not be put into any term let alone eductional stndards! we can be thought of things as belittling as that but we dont get worked up of such things be cause we know its is just these racist killers putting us down therfore i have reached a coclusion.
MUSLIMS CAN GET 100% ATTENDENCE AND BE THE MOST HARDWORKING IN THE CLASS BUT JUST BECAUSE YOU ENVY THE WAY WE CAN HANDLE THINGS DOESNT MEAN THIS THAT YOUR PROCLOMATION PROMISED US FREE LIBERTY!!!!
WE ARE NOT SUICIDE BOMBERSOR SUCH FICTIONAL DOUBTS ! WE ARE MUSLIM A UNIQUE RACE AND PROUUD!!!!!!!
Vote on this point: muslim kids in Britian are slacking off because they are ostracized,isolated and therefore more than a little paranoid about the people around them
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Should/Are muslim brits (be) slacking off at school?
Yes, because... Children who do well in school and almost qualify for gramar schools have to settle for the worst schools in britain because of poverty
Children who do well in school and almost qualify for grammar* schools have to settle for the worst schools in Britain because of poverty:[1]
Getting jobs is horrifically difficult for the average Muslim Brit especially in the odd-job market(which uneducated Muslims have to resort to) dominated by racist uneducated white people who treat Muslim Brits like foreigners and refuse to let 'immigrants' take 'their' jobs. Education is not free.
The language barrier: many Muslim families have shifted-to/settled-in ghettos to avoid/avert racist bashing over the decades; They mostly use Punjabi,Urdu and other languages; not English to communicate; perfectly intelligent Muslim children have trouble getting into schools because they lack command of and fluency in the English language; for this reason.
Also, the Cockney brand of English used in poverty-stricken areas is hard to understand/learn even for upper-crust Brits who speak clear and controlled ox-bridge English ; to expect Muslim children to learn it as a second language is a bit much.
"Then again; The highest number of As in the world at GCSE Advanced Level were attained by a Pakistani.[2][3][4] "
Albeit; NOT a British Pakistani/Asian/Muslim which is the highlight of this debate.
- ^ http://www.guardian.co.uk/education/2008/apr/01/schools.uk
- ^ http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1132200/The-boy-set-getting-Cambridge-got-22-A-levels.html
- ^ http://cyberwarez.info/forum/showthread.php?237459-World-record-Teenager-gains-22-A-levels-in-12-months
- ^ http://www.contactpakistan.com/news/news180.htm
Agreed that there is racism and oppression mostly/worse felt in districts of abject penury and in secluded areas; where people fortress themselves from British society as a whole.
However; does opposition/oppression/racism entail or excuse poor performance?
We should not take light of the fact that many if not most of the greatest minds in recorded history emerged victorious out of some kind of travesty. Heroism/invention/genius has spurned time and time again from suffering/tragedy/oppression/injustice/etc.
Difficult circumstances do not necessary lead to failure and poor performance. Ultimately it's only a matter of the right attitude/mindset. This is developed from the home and its surroundings.
However; obsessed Asian parents are about their kids making the grade. Some also tend to infect young minds with mistrust of the system/country; they live with/in. The attitude isn't generally 'let's learn together' but 'you must get good marks' and that if you don't pass with flying colour/colors 'make excuses'; whine about this and that: blame everything/one but the only one you are accountable for; yourself.
Then again; The highest number of As in the world at GCSE Advanced Level were attained by a Pakistani.[1][2][3]
Vote on this point: Children who do well in school and almost qualify for gramar schools have to settle for the worst schools in britain because of poverty
See history of changes to this point
Should/Are muslim brits (be) slacking off at school?
Yes, because... MP objects to the building of an Eton for Muslim girls
His reasoning: it is wrong to create a school just for girls concentrated on teaching pupils of one religion
The man seems to have not an inkling of the existence Catholic Girls' schools-[1]
[1] There are many existing girls' Muslim schools boasting of quality education all over Britain.
Vote on this point: MP objects to the building of an Eton for Muslim girls
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Should/Are muslim brits (be) slacking off at school?
No, because... 6 out of 20 of Britain's Best schools are exclusively Islamic schools
The MP is right in discouraging school-level gender segregation. There is a greater fascination with the other sex in exclusively boys'/girls' schools.
And children from these schools tend to more romantically(sometimes sexually) active because of all the restrictions imposed upon them.
Militant regulation/segregation can prove to be counterproductive.
Also keeping people of one religion under one roof could mean bashing people of other religions in closed classrooms and in light of the current climate, erratically emotional talk of jihad. Mosques/Masjids in Britain have posed as militant group headquarters in the past for this reason.
and the rest are either almost entirely boys or girls' schools not co-ed
"This year, six independent faith schools dominate the top 20 schools in helping to improve the prospects of their students.
The top state school, Selly Park Technology College for Girls, also has an overwhelming Pakistani/Asian intake[1]
Counter:[2] The rate of teen pregnancies in single-sex schools is significantly lower than in coeducational schools.[3]
The demystification of the other sex in coed institutions maybe responsible for many of the sexually related psychological illnesses teens/adults are plagued with today.
People who teach at and/or build Muslim girls' schools cannot seriously be thought of as Taliban-esque backward school burning Jihadists.However; in this day and age of open course-ware, camera-phones etc; achieving classroom lecture transparency is not hard. And is a welcome move for institutions who wish to tackle prejudice head-on and boast of their quality teaching standards.
Vote on this point: 6 out of 20 of Britain's Best schools are exclusively Islamic schools
See history of changes to this point
Should/Are muslim brits (be) slacking off at school?
No, because... MUSLIMS DONT REALLY NEED MORE DEBATE BECAUSE WE ARE JUST PPL DONT TREAT US LIKE TRASH JUST BECAUSE U R
More debate on. Well, I'm a Muslim and I like debate.
You should not logically be using 'debate'-wise. If 'you' don't want to debate.
Please have the decency not to cram Muslims into your league; I find it insulting.
MUSLIMS DONT REALLY NEED MORE DEBATE BECAUSE WE ARE JUST PPL DONT TREAT US LIKE TRASH JUST BECAUSE U R

Point 1. muslim kids in Britian are slacking off because they are ostracized,isolated and therefore more than a little paranoid about the people around them
Being thought of as a terrorist/outcast cannot be very academically motivating; also when certain white people challenge the British-ness/hood of Muslims by treating people born and bred in Britain as foreigners as well as second class citizens; who cannot exercise their rights as average British citizens; the average Muslim Brit rightly feels bullied.
Let us not ignore he brick-chucking,name-calling and other illegal forms of racially motivated violence in the back-alleys of British society.
Communication is hard since people are judged by their appearance/colouring justice is also arduous to receive when you know that when you go-to report a crime you'll have to go through a (what is commonly referred to as a pig) very white racially close-minded policeman.
'Paki" has long been considered a very racist term in British society(though it literally means pure in Urdu).
Both Oxford and Cambridge have large Muslim student unions/bodies.[1][2]
Oxford Alum British born(to Pakistani parents) Imam Munawwar Hussein has been appointed as a teacher at Eton to teach the 20 Muslim boys(out of a student body of more than a thousand) studying there about Islam.[3][4]
Point 2. Children who do well in school and almost qualify for gramar schools have to settle for the worst schools in britain because of poverty
[1]
Getting jobs is horrifically difficult for the average muslim Brit especially in the odd-job market(which uneducated Muslims have to resort to) dominated by racist uneducated white people who treat Muslim Brits like foreigners and refuse to let 'immigrants take 'their' jobs'. Education is not free.
The language barrier; many Muslim families have shifted to ghettos to avoid/avert racist bashing over the decades ; they use punjabi and other languages not English to communicate; perfectly intelligent Muslim children have trouble getting into schools because they lack command and fluency of English.
Also the Cockney brand of English used in poverty-stricken areas is hard to understand/learn even for upper-crust Brits who speak clear and controlled ox-bridge English ; to expect children to learn it as a second language is too much.
Agreed that there is racism and oppression mostly/worse felt in districts of abject penury and in secluded areas; where people fortress themselves from British society as a whole.
However; does opposition/oppression/racism entail or excuse poor performance?
We should not take light of the fact that many if not most of the greatest minds in recorded history emerged victorious out of some kind of travesty. Heroism/invention/genius has spurned time and time again from suffering/tragedy/oppression/injustice/etc.
Difficult circumstances do not necessary lead to failure and poor performance. Ultimately it's only a matter of the right attitude/mindset. This is developed from the home and its surroundings.
However; obsessed Asian parents are about their kids making the grade. Some also tend to infect young minds with mistrust of the system/country; they live with/in. The attitude isn't generally 'let's learn together' but 'you must get good marks' and that if you don't pass with flying colour/colors 'make excuses'; whining about this and that: blaming everything/one but themselves.
Then again; The highest number of As in the world at GSCE Advanced Level were attained by a Pakistani.
Point 3. MP objects to the building of an Eton for Muslim girls
his reasoning: it is wrong to create a school just for girls concentrated on teaching pupils of one religion
The man seems to have not an inkling of the existence Catholic Girls' schools-[1]
[1] There are many existing girls' Muslim schools boasting of quality education all over Britain.
Point 1. 6 out of 20 of Britain's Best schools are exclusively Islamic schools
"This year, six independent faith schools dominate the top 20 schools in helping to improve the prospects of their students.
The top state school, Selly Park Technology College for Girls, also has an overwhelming Pakistani/Asian intake"
-[1]
The Mp is right in discouraging school-level gender segregation. There is a greater fascination with the other sex in exclusively boys'/girls' schools.
And children from these schools tend to more romantically(sometimes sexually) active because of all the restrictions imposed upon them.
Militant regulation/segregation can prove to be counterproductive.
Also keeping people of one religion under one roof could mean bashing people of other religions in closed classrooms and in light of the current climate, erratically emotional talk of jihad. Mosques/Masjids in Britain have posed as militant group headquarters in the past for this reason.
Point 2. MUSLIMS DONT REALLY NEED MORE DEBATE BECAUSE WE ARE JUST PPL DONT TREAT US LIKE TRASH JUST BECAUSE U R
MUSLIMS DONT REALLY NEED MORE DEBATE BECAUSE WE ARE JUST PPL DONT TREAT US LIKE TRASH JUST BECAUSE U R
more debate on???
Well; you should not be using 'debate'-wise if you don't wish to debate.